For a trend follower, risk is minimized when a position can be opened as close to the signal line as possible. Now after today, with the daily trend confirmed down, a retracement to the signal line will be an excellent opportunity to add more money to the short position. Also, if trading leveraged end-of-day funds at Profunds or Rydex, this technic will allow us to take advantage of beta-creep to get even better prices. Stan
So, instead of initiating a position, you are likely to wait until there is a reversion to the signal line? Makes sense, what you say, because with such a drastic move yesterday, a reversion is high probability event, imo.
JD, Did I give you the impression that I did not take the daily signal today? Well, to be crystal clear, I did take the signal. I must follow my system. I do not condone waiting. I am now short the SPX. However, I am saying that with any new money to invest, the lowest risk entry would be to add to the short position as close to the signal line as possible. I hope this clears up my statement. Stan
Stan, That was crystal. Thanks! And belated thanks to your earlier comment in another of Allan's posts. Your step-by-step guide really helped a new initiate like me to grab hold of the system (not that it's complicated) into a trading methodology.
Stan are you using the TZA/TNA vehicles? After getting whipped the other day I've gone with the end of day trading like yourself. I am trading this in my 401K so I need to be careful with fund settlement issues and not overtrade. Though I do see the value in adding at the signal line, I do think it injects a bit of judgment into an otherwise 100% objective system.
Folks, Please accept an answer that will broadly cover your questions. 1st of all, there are many trading technics out there that work but what's important for me is to find one that works for me only. What can I realisticly follow? For me, I am retired but busy with things I enjoy doing during the day. I don't want to spend all day looking at a computer screen. Therefore, I trade the Daily Model. I trade leveraged end-of-day funds at Profunds: ULPIX and URPIX. I only need to check the market close to the Profunds cutoff time 3:55pm each day, and get my order in before then. All the thinking, analysis, and energy expended that I used to do is behind me. I've learned that no one can predict accurately and consistently, there's no crystal ball or holy grail, and there's just no reliable way to eliminate the risk. I just simply trade the signal line, execute my trades the same day the signal triggers, accept the risk, flow with it, and enjoy my life. I can realisticly do that - It works for me. I hope I've answered your questions. Stan
By the way, I always keep in mind Allan's "Statement of Certainty" ------------------------------------ "I have no guess, but I do have a certainty: That my "Trend Following Models" will catch every major move in any direction in any market in any ETF in any stock." ------------------------------------ The Daily Model keeps me on the right side of the market, always invested with the Trend. That's all I need.. Stan
Thank you for sharing your views on these Models and how you trade them. You explained the "attitude" that one needs that will lead to successful implementation of these Models in trading and in a straight forward and easily understandable way. I am humbled, impressed and very appreciative.
To "Anonymous", Why I use Profunds over ETFs? Here are some reasons: 1) No commissions. 2) I can execute trades either on line or by phone. 3) I'm not tempted to look at the market at anytime other than the close. I like the mental freedom. 4) If I choose to add to my position during retracements, due to the nature of leveraged index funds I concurrently take advantage of any positive beta creep to get a better price. 5) It minimizes the number of actions I must take to place a trade. 6) Because I use the Daily Model, the signal is only valid at the close, which is perfect for Profunds end-of-day trading. 7) I've been with Profunds for well over 9 years and have never had an execution or any other kind of problem. 8) Finally, it is what I choose to do. I have nothing against ETFs. Stan
16 comments:
We're officially short on the daily now. BTW, excellent call on GNVC, it's been quite a ride since your recco!
Wayne
last I checked....KBE and KRE were holding up pretty good.
-Mike
For a trend follower, risk is minimized when a position can be opened as close to the signal line as possible. Now after today, with the daily trend confirmed down, a retracement to the signal line will be an excellent opportunity to add more money to the short position. Also, if trading leveraged end-of-day funds at Profunds or Rydex, this technic will allow us to take advantage of beta-creep to get even better prices.
Stan
Stan,
So, instead of initiating a position, you are likely to wait until there is a reversion to the signal line? Makes sense, what you say, because with such a drastic move yesterday, a reversion is high probability event, imo.
JD,
Did I give you the impression that I did not take the daily signal today?
Well, to be crystal clear, I did take the signal.
I must follow my system. I do not condone waiting. I am now short the SPX.
However, I am saying that with any new money to invest, the lowest risk entry would be to add to the short position as close to the signal line as possible.
I hope this clears up my statement.
Stan
Stan,
That was crystal. Thanks! And belated thanks to your earlier comment in another of Allan's posts. Your step-by-step guide really helped a new initiate like me to grab hold of the system (not that it's complicated) into a trading methodology.
Stan,
What form of a short did you take after market closed? Order to buy short ETF on market open or options?
Thanks
Stan are you using the TZA/TNA vehicles? After getting whipped the other day I've gone with the end of day trading like yourself. I am trading this in my 401K so I need to be careful with fund settlement issues and not overtrade. Though I do see the value in adding at the signal line, I do think it injects a bit of judgment into an otherwise 100% objective system.
Paul
Allan,
Just to be clear. Once the daily or weekly target is reached- it is the next morning that you purchase the trading vehicle?
Not last minute before close on day target is reached.
Thanks Tom
Folks,
Please accept an answer that will broadly cover your questions.
1st of all, there are many trading technics out there that work but what's important for me is to find one that works for me only. What can I realisticly follow?
For me, I am retired but busy with things I enjoy doing during the day. I don't want to spend all day looking at a computer screen.
Therefore, I trade the Daily Model.
I trade leveraged end-of-day funds at Profunds: ULPIX and URPIX.
I only need to check the market close to the Profunds cutoff time 3:55pm each day, and get my order in before then.
All the thinking, analysis, and energy expended that I used to do is behind me.
I've learned that no one can predict accurately and consistently, there's no crystal ball or holy grail, and there's just no reliable way to eliminate the risk.
I just simply trade the signal line, execute my trades the same day the signal triggers, accept the risk, flow with it, and enjoy my life.
I can realisticly do that - It works for me.
I hope I've answered your questions.
Stan
By the way, I always keep in mind Allan's "Statement of Certainty"
------------------------------------
"I have no guess, but I do have a certainty:
That my "Trend Following Models"
will catch every major move
in any direction
in any market
in any ETF
in any stock."
------------------------------------
The Daily Model keeps me on the right side of the market, always invested with the Trend.
That's all I need..
Stan
Stan,
Thank you for sharing your views on these Models and how you trade them. You explained the "attitude" that one needs that will lead to successful implementation of these Models in trading and in a straight forward and easily understandable way. I am humbled, impressed and very appreciative.
A
Thanks Stan for your reply.
Is there a particular reason you chose ProFunds as opposed to ETF's?
Allan,
Thank you for your compliments.
Your Trend-Following approach fits me and my lifestyle perfectly.
Stan
To "Anonymous",
Why I use Profunds over ETFs?
Here are some reasons:
1) No commissions.
2) I can execute trades either on line or by phone.
3) I'm not tempted to look at the market at anytime other than the close. I like the mental freedom.
4) If I choose to add to my position during retracements, due to the nature of leveraged index funds I concurrently take advantage of any positive beta creep to get a better price.
5) It minimizes the number of actions I must take to place a trade.
6) Because I use the Daily Model, the signal is only valid at the close, which is perfect for Profunds end-of-day trading.
7) I've been with Profunds for well over 9 years and have never had an execution or any other kind of problem.
8) Finally, it is what I choose to do.
I have nothing against ETFs.
Stan
Thanks again Stan,
Really appreciate you taking the time to explain. I am going to look into those funds.
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