tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9226230.post113846567414952486..comments2023-10-20T05:43:46.254-07:00Comments on All Allan: NVAX & Vaccine DevelopmentUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9226230.post-1138851017446937502006-02-01T20:30:00.000-07:002006-02-01T20:30:00.000-07:00Donpatent:"I have heard it explained - by John Ros...Donpatent:<BR/><BR/>"I have heard it explained - by John Rossi, I think - that a nanoviricide virus killer is using the virus functions and abilities in the nanoviricide itself - like an artificial virus - to attack the real viruses and that it is quite a brilliant achievement."<BR/><BR/><BR/>That may sound good, but it doesn't really explain much. <BR/><BR/><BR/>"Also Diwan is on the record, somewhere, as saying that once the nanoviricide is established and proven effective, a vaccine development itself would follow on without much difficulty." <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>It seems to me that this is a huge underestimation of what's involved. <BR/><BR/><BR/>How is it that you became involved with this company/stock?<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Anonymous:<BR/><BR/>"By Chemical virus they mean the viricide that has been programmed (by virtue of the Ligands) to target the Virus (similar to a Virus that is naturally programmed to target a host cell)!<BR/><BR/>Here is what they are claiming....<BR/>"...Nanoviricides thus act by completely novel and distinctly different mechanisms compared to most existing anti-viral agents. The self- assembling nanoviricide "trojan horses" course through the blood stream, seek their target, i.e. a specific virus particle, attach themselves to the virus particle target, fuse with the virus particle, thereby destroying the virus particle's ability to infect host cells, and go further to deploy active ingredients into the virus particle that can be chosen so as to destroy the virus genetic material (such as viral DNA, viral RNA, etc.), as well as to destroy key viral components that the virus carries inside its "belly" such as the reverse transcriptase, the protease, and the integrase carried by HIV particles)."<BR/><BR/>This seems like a lot of stuff is being contained in the nanoviricides. It doesn't really address the problem that the viruses in the blood are a small fraction of the viruses in the body, the vast majority are within the cells.<BR/><BR/><BR/> <BR/>"But time will tell! I believe they are getting ready to publish a paper. Not enough formal information has been published."<BR/><BR/>Yes, oh, and yes. <BR/><BR/>"The science is not new! It has been established and the delivery mechanism is in fact being deployed by more than one company albeit comprised of different materials!"<BR/><BR/><BR/>Take a look at the subsidiaries of ARWR. <BR/><BR/>Q: Are you into day trading 100% of the time or are you practising Pathology too?? <BR/><BR/>I've never practiced pathology (requires an md), just did research for several years. Currently, I'm only trading, and very much enjoying it. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>"The science is not new! It has been established and the delivery mechanism is in fact being deployed by more than one company albeit comprised of different materials!"<BR/><BR/><BR/>The strategies other companies may be using are also different, one of the subsidiaries of ARWR has something that sounds very similar to nanoviricides, but their explanations and proposed applications make much more sense. There's a lot to understand from the details. <BR/><BR/>"I have to say that the above is yet to be proven in human trials but there are companies ( >1 ) trying to prove the efficacy of the technology in humans!"<BR/><BR/>Why has it not been proven? What are the other companies doing and what is different about those other companies? What other companies are you referring to?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Thanksilenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00859456411740769913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9226230.post-1138684901741611902006-01-30T22:21:00.000-07:002006-01-30T22:21:00.000-07:00"The science is not new! It has been established a..."The science is not new! It has been established and the delivery mechanism is in fact being deployed by more than one company albeit comprised of different materials!"<BR/><BR/>I have to say that the above is yet to be proven in human trials but there are companies ( >1 ) trying to prove the efficacy of the technology in humans!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9226230.post-1138677458648370452006-01-30T20:17:00.000-07:002006-01-30T20:17:00.000-07:00Thanks Alan for your posts on useful and important...Thanks Alan for your posts on useful and important investing subjects. I'm long nnvc, nvax, crxl and have belief that all three and many others will fair excellently, but I may miss some DD or news. If you come to believe that any of nvax or nnvc are at risk please post to your blog your findings or belief that the risk reward has changed?<BR/><BR/>Thanks and good fortunes, curtcurt504https://www.blogger.com/profile/16564247706753234726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9226230.post-1138578450564906162006-01-29T16:47:00.000-07:002006-01-29T16:47:00.000-07:00By Chemical virus they mean the viricide that has ...By Chemical virus they mean the viricide that has been programmed (by virtue of the Ligands) to target the Virus (similar to a Virus that is naturally programmed to target a host cell)!<BR/><BR/>Here is what they are claiming....<BR/>"...Nanoviricides thus act by completely novel and distinctly different mechanisms compared to most existing anti-viral agents. The self- assembling nanoviricide "trojan horses" course through the blood stream, seek their target, i.e. a specific virus particle, attach themselves to the virus particle target, fuse with the virus particle, thereby destroying the virus particle's ability to infect host cells, and go further to deploy active ingredients into the virus particle that can be chosen so as to destroy the virus genetic material (such as viral DNA, viral RNA, etc.), as well as to destroy key viral components that the virus carries inside its "belly" such as the reverse transcriptase, the protease, and the integrase carried by HIV particles). We believe this gives us an edge in the field of anti-viral therapy ...." <BR/><BR/>But time will tell! I believe they are getting ready to publish a paper. Not enough formal information has been published.<BR/><BR/>The science is not new! It has been established and the delivery mechanism is in fact being deployed by more than one company albeit comprised of different materials!<BR/><BR/>Q: Are you into day trading 100% of the time or are you practising Pathology too??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9226230.post-1138566860255970332006-01-29T13:34:00.000-07:002006-01-29T13:34:00.000-07:00I have heard it explained - by John Rossi, I think...I have heard it explained - by John Rossi, I think - that a nanoviricide virus killer is using the virus functions and abilities in the nanoviricide itself - like an artificial virus - to attack the real viruses and that it is quite a brilliant achievement.<BR/><BR/>Also Diwan is on the record, somewhere, as saying that once the nanoviricide is established and proven effective, a vaccine development itself would follow on without much difficulty.donpatenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00122433762522926981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9226230.post-1138557102223057882006-01-29T10:51:00.000-07:002006-01-29T10:51:00.000-07:00Hi Anonymous Q: Why does it not make sense? Ignore...Hi Anonymous <BR/><BR/><BR/>Q: Why does it not make sense? Ignore the Cloak & dagger description! <BR/><BR/>It's hard, but I'll try:<BR/><BR/><BR/>"....Nanoviricides: Also called "chemical viruses," these are chemically synthesized agents that destroy specific targets while remaining invisible in their hydrophilic shells to the host's immune system."<BR/><BR/>I think of a virus as something made of RNA or DNA (with protein coat) that gets into a cell and replicates itself inside the cell. A nanoviricide being a "chemical virus" isn't clear. My latest understanding is that they are taking the nanoviricides and attaching something on the outside that the viruses will be attracted to, so the viruses would bind to the nanoviricides. This would presumably occur outside of the cells. Unless they are saying the nanoviricides with protein attached to bind the viruses are going to get into the infected cells and bind to some of the viruses in there. I still don't see that as a winning strategy for killing all the viruses, and obviously cells are going to be killed in the process too. <BR/><BR/><BR/>"slipping into viruses for the kill before sacrificing themselves in a tidy "post-op cleanup" that leaves no residue or side effects... " <BR/><BR/>"Slipping into viruses" doesn't make sense. <BR/><BR/>A "tidy post-op cleanup" doesn't make sense. Clean up by what? Didn't you say they say the immune system doesn't recognize the nanoviricides covered with the substance that is going to bind to the viruses and make them disappear? <BR/><BR/><BR/>Q:So far Vaccines have not worked!! What makes you think this new vaccine will work?<BR/><BR/><BR/>What do you mean? I'm not aware of any bird flu virus vaccine clinical failures, and thought these studies were just beginning - even before we know the identify of a strain of a potential bird flu virus that becomes transmissible between humans. The exact virus that the ordinary flu vaccines are made against change every year, so the vaccines need to be changed too.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Q:Can one take multiple vaccines, one for Bird Flu & another for ordinary Flu at the same time? <BR/><BR/>Why not?ilenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00859456411740769913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9226230.post-1138514478254231972006-01-28T23:01:00.000-07:002006-01-28T23:01:00.000-07:00"..Yes, but with the availability of vaccines, the..."..Yes, but with the availability of vaccines, their product won't be as needed, assuming it even works..."<BR/><BR/>Q:So far Vaccines have not worked!! What makes you think this new vaccine will work?<BR/><BR/>Q:Can one take multiple vaccines, one for Bird Flu & another for ordinary Flu at the same time?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9226230.post-1138513978978091042006-01-28T22:52:00.000-07:002006-01-28T22:52:00.000-07:00"....Nanoviricides: Also called "chemical viruses,..."....Nanoviricides: Also called "chemical viruses," these are chemically synthesized agents that destroy specific targets while remaining invisible in their hydrophilic shells to the host's immune system. They are the "cloak and dagger" operatives of medicine, slipping into viruses for the kill before sacrificing themselves in a tidy "post-op cleanup" that leaves no residue or side effects... " <BR/><BR/>That doesn't make any sense to me. <BR/><BR/>Q: Why does it not make sense? Ignore the Cloak & dagger description!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9226230.post-1138504542013542582006-01-28T20:15:00.000-07:002006-01-28T20:15:00.000-07:00Anonymous:"First of NNVC does not produce a 'Vacci...Anonymous:<BR/><BR/>"First of NNVC does not produce a 'Vaccine' i.e it does not make use of the human immune system. It attacks the viral particle directly."<BR/><BR/>Yes, but with the availability of vaccines, their product won't be as needed, assuming it even works. <BR/><BR/>"Also a viricide is not affected by the immune system as it is transparent to the immune system because of its hydrophillic shell..."<BR/><BR/>No opinion on that. <BR/><BR/><BR/>"....Nanoviricides: Also called "chemical viruses," these are chemically synthesized agents that destroy specific targets while remaining invisible in their hydrophilic shells to the host's immune system. They are the "cloak and dagger" operatives of medicine, slipping into viruses for the kill before sacrificing themselves in a tidy "post-op cleanup" that leaves no residue or side effects... " <BR/><BR/>That doesn't make any sense to me.ilenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00859456411740769913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9226230.post-1138503451423425912006-01-28T19:57:00.000-07:002006-01-28T19:57:00.000-07:00First of NNVC does not produce a 'Vaccine' i.e it ...First of NNVC does not produce a 'Vaccine' i.e it does not make use of the human immune system. It attacks the viral particle directly.<BR/><BR/>Also a viricide is not affected by the immune system as it is transparent to the immune system because of its hydrophillic shell.<BR/>"....Nanoviricides: Also called "chemical viruses," these are chemically synthesized agents that destroy specific targets while remaining invisible in their hydrophilic shells to the host's immune system. They are the "cloak and dagger" operatives of medicine, slipping into viruses for the kill before sacrificing themselves in a tidy "post-op cleanup" that leaves no residue or side effects... "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com